Ora ana sing nggunakake AWS / GCP / Azure kanthi serius kanggo duwe sawetara VM utawa server khusus. Yen wong bisa mbukak workload lengkap ing contone. Hetzner tanpa repot, mula mulane ora kudu nggunakake platform maya liyane amarga bakal mbayar overpaying.
EDIT: Aku pengin njlentrehake manawa aku ngerti yen sawetara perusahaan nggunakake 3 gedhe minangka panyedhiya VPS sing prasaja nanging misale jek kabeh wong setuju yen iki mbuwang dhuwit lan iki minangka salah sawijining poin utama, mula uga perbandingan sing gedhe-gedhe vs Hetzner utawa panyedhiya VPS / server khusus liyane ora ana gunane amarga nyedhiyakake kasus panggunaan sing beda.
Aku mikir sampeyan ngremehake jumlah pelanggan awan sing nindakake lift lan shift sing gampang
(Sing paling nggegirisi yaiku sistem sing paling dhuwur ing 5 tekan detik sajrone wektu sibuk akhir wulan sing manggon ing pirang-pirang pod ing kluster GCP Kubernetes.)
Aku wis rampung persis ing wiwitan sadurungé. Mesthine, 10 taun kepungkur, nanging pindhah saka infra racked menyang AWS pungkasane dadi setengah biaya kanggo apa sing efektif kaping pindho infra (kita mbangun geo-redundansi lengkap ing wektu sing padha)
Umume klienku nindakake mung - mung EC2 ing AWS
Mesthi, pengalamanku bisa uga ora makili kasus rata-rata, nanging mesthi ora "ora ana". Aku percaya yen umume nindakake amarga AWS / Azure minangka "pilihan sing aman"Milih AWS/Azure minangka versi modern saka "Ora ana sing bakal dipecat amarga tuku IBM"--
Aku bubar nyoba Hertzner dhewe lan aku seneng pengalaman saiki. Aku ngerti yen aku mbandhingake apel lan jeruk ing kene nanging; Hertzners UI mung cepet lan prasaja dibandhingake karo AWS lan regane apik. Malah invoice sing resik lan bisa dingerteni
Yen padha arep nindakake apa ora paling milih Lightsail?
Ora kabeh bisnis mutusake manawa ana risiko sing bisa dikurangi, nanging ana uga
Aku ngerti awan bisa nggawe akal nanging ora kaya iki
Hmm, apa wae sing ora duwe lalu lintas lan syarat sing gedhe banget, lan ing kasus kasebut, vendor awan utama isih murah lan cukup gampang kanggo kasus panggunaan kasebut.
Hetzner kayane cocog karo "ora cukup gedhe kanggo entuk diskon lan dhukungan utama nanging cukup gedhe kanggo duwe tagihan awan sing akeh"lan ora apa-apa
[1] httpsaws.amazon.com/lightsail/
Akeh perusahaan lan wong nindakake beban sing luwih apik kanggo piranti keras khusus ing EC2 amarga "awan">Hetzner tanpa repot, mula mulane ora kudu nggunakake platform maya liyane amarga mesthi mbayar luwih
Kemampuan kanggo nyedhiyakake, de-provision, clone, mbukak imbangan lan ngatur tanpa ngomong karo wong, nunggu hardware utawa malah kudu ngerti kanthi rinci apa sing kedadeyan (ya iki ala, nanging isih ) minangka salah sawijining alasan utama awan dadi populer. Akeh host khusus sing dadi luwih apik ing wilayah iki.
Iku bener kelakon. Padha mbangun sawetara piranti lunak, masang ing VM lan wis ngandika piranti lunak nggunakake layanan database mendhung sing mbusak sirah kanggo njaga serep, siyaga, titik ing wektu Recovery, data aman ing liyane.
Aku duwe sawetara skrip cangkang sing nindakake kabeh lan nggunakake Hetzner nanging aku bisa nggambar sawetara org kanthi dhuwit sing cukup kanggo ora peduli babagan rega supaya gampang wong liya ngurus data sampeyan.
Dheweke wis mbayar awan lan wong sing ngatur barang-barang maya, aku yakin bakal entuk setengah yen sampeyan menehi skrip
Aku mung nuduhake manawa panyedhiya awan iki pancen ora sopan nalika sampeyan mung bisa nulis sawetara skrip kanggo nangani
Pracayaa aku ;) Aku adaptasi sing kanggo produk tartamtu aku berkembang kanggo klien. Nanging ora worth wektu kanggo repot-repot ngeculake sing ing wangun umum. Dumadakan aku kudu marem watesan lan syarat khusus bazillion kanggo pangguna umum
Bungah amarga aku kerep ndeleng carane apik tenan perusahaan iki akhir-akhir iki
- Wong sing digunakake kanggo Fry server lil hetzner kanggo seneng-seneng
Aku ngerti yen sampeyan ora nate nampa serangan kanthi skala 'gedhe'nanging butuh $5 kanggo ngilangi server hetzner (yen sampeyan ora ngerti carane nindakake dhewe)
httpswww.cloudflare.com/products/cloudflare-spectrum/
httpskrebsonsecurity.com/2018/04/ddos-for-hire-service-we..
kudu cukup
- EX44: Intel Core i5-13500 / 64 GB / 2x512 GB NVMe - Saka 44 [2]
- EX101: Intel Core i9-13900 / 64 GB / 2x1.92 TB NVMe - Saka 84 [3]
[1] httpswww.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver/ax52
[2] httpswww.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver/ex44
[3] httpswww.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver/ex101
- EX101: Intel Core i9-13900 / 64 GB / 2x1.92 TB NVMe - Saka 84
- AX101: AMD Ryzen 9 5950X / 128GB / 2x3.84 TB NVMe - Saka 101
Nambah memori dadi 128 GB, yaiku rong DIMM saben saluran, nyuda kacepetan memori, luwih abot kanggo AMD (DDR5-3600) tinimbang Intel (DDR5-4400)
Overclocking memori, kaya ing komputer game, ora bisa ditampa ing komputer server
Nanging sing sepisanan asring urip maneh kanthi acak lan dhukungan kasebut ora banget mbiyantu. Dheweke kandha yen aku mung nyewa siji liyane, sing daklakoni. Sing nomer loro reboot kanthi acak sapisan ing babagan setahun. Aku guess sing pisanan tindak ing lelangan lan isih seneng reboots
Hetzner ngrasa kaya panyedhiya awan diskon sing angel. Aku isih luwih seneng tinimbang AWS utawa Azure kanggo beban kerja sing ora kritis sing duwe anggaran sithik
Aku takon bab salah siji saka kedadean, lan padha ngandika sing breaker porsi rak wis. Aku bakal ngira iki minangka panyebab sing umum kanggo masalah iki
Masalah liyane yaiku kegagalan disk. Dheweke ngganti disk kanthi cepet banget (<1hr) nanging yen sampeyan ora gelem mbayar disk anyar, padha pas karo apa wae sing ana ing saham. Kadhangkala sing katon minangka unit sing cedhak karo pati, lan ing sawetara wulan liyane, coba tebak apa sing kedadeyan. Biasane dheweke menehi sampeyan sing cukup supaya kabeh bisa rampung
Hetzner minangka panyedhiya awan diskon. Kanggo dhuwit, aku seneng banget karo dheweke. Siji-sijine pilihan realistis liyane kanthi rega sing padha yaiku dadi tuan rumah dhewe lan aku ora yakin manawa bakal repot.
Iku pisanan seng di tuduh merek tartamtu saka RAM, aku njaluk RAM-swap kang sayangé ora bantuan. Banjur nganyari BIOS sing uga ora mbantu. Banjur ana wong sing ngerti yen nohz = mati ing KCL ndandani masalah kasebut lan aku wis sukses kaya iki sajrone sawetara taun. Suwe sawise paling ora siji dist-upgrade aku eling lan mbusak pilihan maneh, lan server isih mlaku stabil
Ora ana semangat nyata kanggo crita iki, nanging paling ora dhukungan kasebut super responsif, lan amarga panyebabe ora jelas, mula ora ragu-ragu ngganti barang kanthi acak yen sampeyan njaluk. Uga duwe HDD sing salah ing dina Minggu kepungkur ing siji server lan njaluk swap, sing ditindakake sajrone 20 menit sawise mbukak tiket.
Aku guess iku bakal dadi pakulinan apik kanggo laporan server kanggo hetzner sanadyan
Ora kanggo nyuda pengalaman sampeyan, nanging kanthi jujur, pengalamanku karo dhukungan Hetzner umume apik banget. Dheweke cepet banget nanggapi, cenderung langsung miwiti babagan apa wae masalahku yen aku nyedhiyakake cukup info ing tiket awal, lsp. Lan ora kaya OVH, aku ora rumangsa kudu nelpon dheweke ing telpon kanggo njaluk layanan prayoga. Agak kaget krungu solusine mung "nyewa liyane"Sakabèhé pengalaman penake kanggo kula, utamané diwenehi carane mirah server. Pendhaftaran mung pengin dadi server darmabakti ing AS utawa Kanada, lan bisa uga ana ing antarane tawaran 1Gbps sing ora diukur lan 10Gbps meter - bisa bledosan luwih dhuwur tinimbang gigabit sok-sok tanpa mbayar biaya bandwidth 1/TB bakal dadi apik.
IIRC sampeyan entuk 30tb / sasi kalebu - dadi ora "bayar apa-apa vs mbayar saka tb pisanan"- nanging aku bisa salah - aku durung duwe proyek sing 10gbps digawe akal
Dheweke minangka panyedhiya diskon. Nanging ing pengalamanku, masalah kaya iki arang banget. Padha pop munggah saiki lan wong-wong mau. Aku mung bakal supaya server anyar. Ing siji perusahaan aku melu, digunakake hetzner saka wiwitan lan arsitektur dibangun watara, lan ing sawetara titik kita ngetung biaya dibandhingake nggunakake AWS utawa padha. Ngirit biaya padha Hetzner luwih repot, nanging pitakonane yaiku sepira sampeyan gelem mbayar kanggo ngilangi kerumitan kasebut, lan kanthi cara apa Kabeh iku normal kayata suhu, beban CPU lan liya-liyane. Server kasebut pancen lelang Liyane non lelang siji wis rock ngalangi Nanging kalebu platform kanggo konfigurasi akses, ngawasi, penyebaran, panggantos otomatis, lan liya-liyane. AWS sacara sakabehe ora bisa dibandhingake karo server saka hetzner. (Kajaba mung iku sing dikarepake saka wong-wong mau, nanging sampeyan mbayar luwih akeh kanggo barang sing ora digunakake) Kayane Hetzner minangka siji-sijine perusahaan ing donya sing nawakake rega kasebut, ta? Apa sing nyekel? Sampeyan bisa njaluk hardware kelas server saka wong-wong mau, nanging prabédan rega ora pati penting yen dibandhingake karo panyedhiya liyane Ya, RAM non-ECC minangka masalah, nanging gampang dianyari ing server AMD Kanggo 63 sampeyan bakal entuk kothak Ryzen 7 7700 (Zen 4, 8 inti, 16 benang) kanthi 64GB ECC RAM lan 2x1TB NVMe SSDs. N2D-Standard-16 Google Cloud kanthi 8 intine (16 benang vCPU, Zen 2 utawa Zen 3), 64GB ECC RAM, lan ora ana biaya panyimpenan $550/bln. Ya, bisa uga ora dadi perbandingan sing sampurna, nanging uga regane 8x - oh, lan Google bakal ngisi sampeyan $0.085/GB kanggo bandwidth sing dilebokake Hetzner kanthi gratis. Malah Rega Spot Google luwih saka kaping pindho biaya Aku setuju yen RAM non-ECC minangka masalah, nanging yen sampeyan pengin nggunakake server AMD, dadi masalah sing murah banget kanggo ndandani. [1] httpswww.youtube.com/watch?v=5eo8nz_niiM Kita nggunakake campuran SYS lan Hetzner ing kene lan wis nemokake yen loro kasebut apik banget lan bisa dibandhingake memori ECC ing produk Cloud? Aku pengin nganggep yen dheweke nggunakake CPU AMD (dhukungan ECC kelas konsumen; kaya sing kudu ditindakake), RAM ECC, lan paling ora panyimpenan cermin. Nanging aku pancene pengin ndeleng fitur dhasar kasebut dikonfirmasi Ora ana sing lock-in. Postgres meh padha yen sampeyan ngatur dhewe, utawa yen sampeyan ngidini Scaleway utawa AWS utawa OVH ngatur kanggo sampeyan. Fungsi bisa yen ing format khusus (Lambda), nanging meh kabeh wong wis standar ing Containers minangka Layanan (KNative / OpenFaaS) Kanggo kula, ora ana siji. Umume aku duwe dhukungan sing apik lan cepet, sanajan ing server lelang (sing luwih murah babagan rega tinimbang sing disambungake - contone, aku mbayar 40 euro saben wulan kanggo panyimpenan 40TB + i7 modern lan 64GB RAM. ) Sing nyata 'nyekel'iku kurban luwih winates; Iku dudu jinis toko siji-mandeg sing AWS ngendi sampeyan bisa nyewa 8x A100s ing rolas pusat data nalika ngatur database lan milyar liyane. Nanging yen sampeyan mung butuh akeh CPU, memori utawa panyimpenan, ora pengin mbayar biaya bandwidth sing akeh banget, lan Eropa ora apik, pancen apik banget. >Kayane Hetzner mung siji-sijine perusahaan ing donya sing nawakake rega kasebut, ta? OVH ora murah, umume, nanging akeh tawaran sing murah, utamane ing garis SoYouStart/Kimsufi [1], kanthi macem-macem luwih akeh babagan pusat data, kalebu Singapura lan Australia, gumantung saka apa sing sampeyan butuhake ing Asia / APAC -- kamungkinan mitigasi DDoS sing luwih apik tinimbang Hetzner uga LeaseWeb bisa uga murah banget. Rega umum ing situs web utama bisa uga katon larang, utawa paling ora murah Hetzner-tier, nanging yen sampeyan pesen sawetara server sing layak, mesthine nawakake diskon volume gedhe.Contone, liwat pengecer [2], aku entuk 100TB bandwidth "premium"@ 10Gbps, Xeon E-2274G, 64GB RAM, hard drive 4x8TB, lan SSD NVMe 1TB ing Amsterdam sing digunakake minangka kothak wiji kanggo kaya 60 euroPanyedhiya semi-murah liyane, gumantung saka apa sing sampeyan butuhake, ing Asia sing kudu dicritakake yaiku Tempest #Aku yakin dheweke duweke dening Path.net, lan padha wis tak mitigasi DDoS luwih saka paling panyedhiya liyane tanpa biaya lengen lan wentis; ing Tokyo, $140 bakal njaluk sampeyan E3 1240v2 + 16GB RAM lan $200 bakal njaluk sampeyan Ryzen 3600X + 32GB RAM, loro server 10Gbps unmeteredOra pilihan apik kanggo wong sing perlu ton saka macem-macem ing hardware sing, nanging yen sampeyan perlu soko dhuwur-bandwidth karo spek prayoga ing Asia, iku ora elek[1]: Worth noting sing, sanajan unmetered, SYS umume winates kanggo soko. kaya 250Mbps kacepetan, lan Kimsufi punika 100Mbps.Sampeyan sok-sok dadi begja lan kadhangkala server sampeyan duwe gigabit sing ora ditutup, nanging kanggo server bandwidth dhuwur sing dijamin, situs OVH utama minangka siji-sijine pilihan[2]: Aku Aku nggunakake Andy10gbit, sing nggoleki kanggo kabutuhan - contone, aku ora perlu reinstall OS 24/7 utawa duwe support cepet awit iku mung digunakake kanggo torrents.Iku bakal dadi pilihan sing ora becik kanggo bisnis, amarga aku ora pengin ngandelake wong lanang ing Reddit yen ana sing salah.WalkerServers minangka conto liyane saka salah sawijining pengecer LeaseWeb sing murah bangetLayanan dheweke mesthi ora sampurna lan servere mung mbukakAku wis mlaku kluster k8s ing hetzner kanggo sawetara wektu saiki lan keluwesan kanggo rega persis apa aku nyana saka hoster!
Saiki kanthi tambahan iki Hetzner nutup celah liyane sing nggawe proyek mbuwang ewonan liyane kanggo perusahaan. Dadi im ora mung seneng nanging uga bangga sing padha mung terus inovasi!
Aku digunakake kanggo tim sing nyewa Welasan server saka wong-wong mau lan kita wis Gagal disk meh saben minggu liyane, kang mbutuhake nggawe tiket support lan takon wong-wong mau kanggo ngganti metu drive supaya kita bisa mbangun maneh array RAID.
Padha digunakake drive konsumen SATA biasa lan padha mbokmenawa cantik lawas utawa dianyaraké utawa soko
Aku seneng banget karo Hetzner kanggo sawetara beban kerja
* Sanadyan GCP (mbiyen mung AppEngine) ora mesthi kaya ngono lan minangka pangguna GAE ing Google, kita kudu nulis kode dhewe kanggo apa sing dikarepake bakal gagal, nyoba maneh, mundur lsp
Temenan ngganti fitur AWS kaya RDS multi-AZ master ora bakal gampang lan bisa uga kudu mbayar kabeh premium AWS, nanging gumantung saka ukuran bisnis, lalu lintas, pengalaman internal lan akeh faktor liyane.
Kanthi hetzner - Gagal tegese ngawasi Panjenengan dideteksi Gagal disk, dikirim sampeyan tandha pagerduty, sing banjur kudu mriksa tandha, tokoh metu apa wis gagal, lan ngirim ing tiket support kanggo njaluk disk diganti. Iki bakal njupuk sawetara jam, sawise sampeyan kudu mbangun maneh RAID array, lan ngarep-arep ora ana maneh disk gagal. Kabeh nalika operasi karo kinerja degradasi
(Aja salah paham, hetzner iku _great_, aku wis digunakake pirang-pirang taun lan menehi saran banget kanggo macem-macem skenario - nanging ide manawa gagal lan linuwih kaya "mega"iku fantastis)
Ing AWS, ana sing terus-terusan rusak. Salah siji saka 100 layanan bakal tansah duwe masalah kinerja, kasedhiyan rusak utawa sawetara liyane
Ing Hetzner, hard drive, CPU utawa RAM ing salah siji saka mesin bakal saben sawetara taun. Mbok
(Iki owah-owahan nalika layanan sampeyan tuwuh lan mundhak, nanging ana jumlah lalu lintas sing bisa ditindakake sawetara mesin.)
Aku wis tanggung jawab kanggo mayuta-yuta dolar saka AWS nglampahi ing dasawarsa pungkasan. Aku wis meh nul AWS nyebabake downtime ing wektu kasebut ing njaba sawetara gangguan utama sing nyebabake kabeh jagad (contone, pemadaman S3 utama) - nanging "layanan 100-an mesthi duwe masalah kinerja utawa kasedhiyan sing rusak"sejatine ora tau. wis bener kanggo kula. Aku wis atusan kedadean pensiun - nanging iku kabeh otomatis lan tanpa downtime
Sajrone 18 wulan kepungkur ing perusahaanku saiki, kita wis 100% uptime - durung ana kedadeyan AWS siji sing mengaruhi kita ing wetan-2. Lan wiwit kita nggunakake ECS lan fargate, kita uga wis ora padha sumelang ing bab pensiun Kayata
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Ing tangan liyane - Aku uga wis akeh server pribadi karo hetzner liwat taun - lan hardware _old_. Aku wis paling ora 3 hard drive dadi ala sajrone ~ 8 taun kepungkur
Maneh, aku isih banget nyaranake hetzner kanggo pirang-pirang kasus - nanging aku mung mikir yen penting kanggo ngerteni bedane tanggung jawab kanggo perkara kaya ngawasi tingkat hardware.
Dadi aku kira sampeyan bisa nyalahke tim sampeyan dhewe kanggo pesen sata konsumen?
[1] httpswww.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver/ax52/configurat..
Kita duwe rak lan gagal penggemar kudu dadi salah sawijining sing paling langka. Malah ing pribadiku, aku ora nate gagal, mung siji sing rame
>Iku isih worth iku amarga murah, nanging padha murah amarga ora anyar lan dipercaya hardware
Ora beda banget karo awan, dheweke ora tuku server paling ndhuwur, dheweke nggawe dhewe kaya hetzner, sing paling murah saben unit kinerja
Laporan basa Jerman gedhe: httpswww.golem.de/news/besuch-im-rechenzentrum-so-betreib..
Suhu CPU: 40C
Malah awan Herzner mung bisa digunakake lan aku ora ngerti carane nindakake nanging regane murah
Yen sampeyan duwe 500 server kanggo dangu, lan script anyar nemokake 5% gagal lan 25 email ing wektu sing padha, Aku bisa ngerti apa Hetzner bisa uga pengin siji email. Nomer digawe, nanging sampeyan entuk ide
Iku mung soko sampeyan kudu nindakake dhewe karo Hetzner
Aku digunakake, lan aku wis seneng banget karo rega, linuwih lan layanan
Mung bisa dikandhakake babagan: IP statis ora mesthi "resik": Aku duwe sawetara kedadeyan ing ngendi IP sing diparengake didaftar ireng lan butuh sawetara bolak-balik karo layanan pelanggan kanggo ndandani masalah kasebut ( entuk IP anyar)
Nanging saliyane rasio kualitas / rega kasebut luwih dhuwur tinimbang GCP, AWS lan liya-liyane
Aku uga nggunakake OVH, lagi cantik prayoga uga, ing ballpark padha Hetzner
Apa ora masalah sing bakal sampeyan alami karo panyedhiya $apa wae? Sampeyan ora tau ngerti sapa sing sadurunge duwe IP kasebut lan apa sing ditindakake
Contone, aku nyoba migrasi klompok ijol-ijolan gedhe menyang kantor 365 bubar lan asisten migrasi mung durung dianyari kanggo ndhukung auth modern kanggo kantor 365 antara liya.
Uga migrasi gagal saka akun dhewe amarga sawetara alasan
Minangka kanggo theips: ya sing mengkono nanging iku dudu hetzners fault, minangka ip sing wis diutus wis dijupuk saka "aktor ala"sadurunge. Yen sampeyan ngandhani agen dhukungan sampeyan, aku entuk sing anyar tanpa masalah
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Ironis, aku ora bisa malah dhaptar akun exchange ing ovh. iku mung terus loading lan loading
Aku mung dadi pelanggan maneh wiwit tawaran awan vps lan aku wis nyaranake amarga wis pirang-pirang taun tanpa cacat. Ora, nanging aku njaluk, nanging aku wis akeh gagal ing umum karo Spinning disk. Aku kudu nindakake sing SSDs lan NVMEs luwih apik kanggo pitutur marang kowe carane akeh jus padha tak kiwa ing wong. Aku ora mikir yen masalah hetzner mung, amarga disk ing hoster liyane uga gagal kanggo aku. Aku uga digunakake kanggo njaga saperangan saka "kantor lawas kosong"lan Gagal hard disk sumelang mung watara kita, nalika sampeyan nggunakake Bare metal. Alasan liyane kanggo kubernetes! Padha nyedhiyani driver csi kanggo kubernetes kanggo blockstorage lan jaringan pribadi kanggo loro banget sampeyan bisa malah duwe master VMS lan kelenjar ing bare metal Secara pribadi, aku mung duwe sawetara masalah jaringan karo dheweke Hetzner bare metal duwe bandwidth tanpa wates Yen sampeyan narik jerami cendhak, kothak sampeyan bakal nuduhake bandwidth karo sawetara kothak winih bittorrent utawa simpul CDN video wong liya. Sing dikandhakake, aku mbukak proyek lan server sing luwih cilik lan durung kerja ing skala sing mbutuhake beban kerja abot sing ngasilake ewonan tagihan saben wulan ing GCP Dadi, umume devs dikondisikake kanggo miwiti proyek pertama ing tingkat gratis saka umume panyedhiya awan nggawe angel banget kanggo pindhah menyang server dhewe nalika butuh. httpswww.hetzner.com/sb Contone, aku mlaku sawetara nyobi sing mbutuhake akeh RAM. Saiki sampeyan bisa njaluk server karo 256GB RAM kanggo 60 / sasi httpstil.simonwillison.net/llms/llama-7b-m2 Saluran iki uga worth langganan Server diwiwiti kanthi $ 9 saben wulan. Conto sing padha: Dual Xeons - 36 intine / 72 benang - 128GB memori - dual 1TB nvme - 5 IP $ 80 saben wulan $ 0 persiyapan. Persiyapan karo dual 2Tb nvme yaiku $100 saben wulan Aku colocating saperangan saka server ana kanggo $40 saben sasi saben, bandwith punika 1Gbit unmetered lan nerangake karo 5ip kang. Saperangan 1U lan menara. Aku bubar tuku server 1U bekas saka Amazon kanthi rega $400. Nduwe 48 intine, memori 96 GB lan drive 4x1TB lan dilengkapi garansi setaun kanggo komponen kasebut. Hetzner pancen padhet, nanging jaringane kadang-kadang samar mung diklik, sayangé wis entek. >Aku colocating saperangan saka server ana kanggo $40 saben sasi saben sampeyan manggon cedhak? Utawa sampeyan ngirim server lan padha diinstal? Sampeyan bisa mriksa maneh, padha nganyari dhaftar ing owah-owahan kasedhiyan server. Panyedhiya liyane ana Dedispec lan Joesdatacenter, bisa uga duwe saham sing sampeyan goleki joesdatacenter.com (Kansas City) wis server siji COLO kanggo $50 sasi Durung nemu apa-apa saka Googling, mula aku kepingin weruh yen ana sing kerja ing endi wae sing nindakake iki Aku wis biasa awan VM yen ana sing mati, aku bisa cepet muter liyane kanthi gampang (aku ora kudu ngubungi dhukungan utawa liya-liyane) Sawetara gagal aku ngalami lan kudu ngawasi / ndeteksi aku: overheating (padha diganti tempel termal nalika aku marang wong-wong mau aku weruh maca aneh saka statistik CPU), Gagal disk gropyokan utawa SSD dhuwur diobong [IE. gagal parsial, server isih mlaku, dheweke ngganti disk sing gagal sawise dakkandhani] Umume masalah wis dirampungake sajrone 1-4 jam kanthi tawaran Kimsufi lan SoYouStart sing murah, sanajan ing akhir minggu lan bengi. Asring nalika server mlaku, bisa uga mbutuhake mati Aku cukup seneng karo iki amarga aku banget teknis ing subyek lan seneng katon ing hood, nanging karo server darmabakti sampeyan pancene kudu nindakake sawetara liyane pangopènan / ngawasi / planning dhewe>Padha ora ngawasi masalah kesehatan liyane Nanging (kepriye bakal padha wiwit sampeyan mbukak sistem dhewe?) Lan mulane ora nindakake apa-apa sadurunge padha ndeteksi status "mudhun" Serverku duwe kertu serangan hardware. Aku wis siji kedadean ngendi OVH hubungi kula lan ngandika ana masalah karo salah siji drive, lan padha bakal urip maneh server ing wektu X kanggo ngganti. Dheweke nindakake, lan masalah kasebut ditanggulangi kanthi ora ana panjaluk utawa intervensi saka aku Aku wis kedadean liyane ngendi aku iki marang motherboard mati. IIRC, iku mati watara 1am wektuku lan diganti dening 5am wektuku. Padha mesthi nguripake sistem maneh kanggo kula. Aku turu kabeh wektu, lan iki uga ditanggulangi kanthi nul panjaluk utawa intervensi saka aku Kajaba iku, aku bisa ngetung kaping pirang-pirang masalah internet utawa daya nggawe serverku ora bisa digayuh ing tangan siji. IMO, pengalaman apik kanggo host murah rereget Sing kabeh dicritakake: Solusi ipv6 OVH pancen nggumunake lan dadi siji alesan kenapa aku bakal ngalih host, yen sing luwih apik karo ngarsane Amerika lor katon Nanging sawetara masalah ora gagal lan sampeyan kudu ngatasi masalah kasebut Umume serangan kasebut minangka piranti lunak saiki, contone IPv6 bisa digunakake kanggo akeh server ing OVH Nanging dheweke asring ngluwihi sampeyan. Aku nyewa sawetara server saka wong-wong mau kanggo akèh taun, lan aku wis kelakon sepisan utawa kaping pindho aku entuk e-mail saka tim datacenter ngandhani kula sing padha ngeweruhi kesalahan LED blinking ing salah siji saka server, lan aktif ana kanggo rencana intervensi ndandani. Kabeh sing kudu daklakoni yaiku nggawe jendela downtime lan komunikasi karo dheweke. Lunyu banget
Aku bakal ujar babagan setengah saka nilai Hetzner sakabèhé ana ing dhukungan kualitas
Aku nuduhake wong-wong mau mundhut dadakan acara daya ing log. "Pasti ana masalah karo modifikasi OS sampeyan sing ora didhukung"OK, Aku dibusak mesin kanggo gambar Simpenan sing nyedhiyani lan isih ana acara mundhut daya. "Ya, kita bakal nganakake tes stres sajrone sawetara menit tes stres lulus OK, sampeyan isih salah!"Acara kasebut kedadeyan kanthi acak sajrone minggu, tes stres ora bakal nuduhake. Sampeyan mung bisa mindhah kula menyang mesin fisik beda? "Ora."Iki liwat Course saka sawetara dina, nalika aku wis acara teka munggah aku NEEDED server kanggo. Aku rampung munggah bali menyang Azure lan mbayar 10x biaya, nanging paling iku makarya gedhe
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Aku durung nate ndeleng kaca iki nalika nyoba mlebu. Nggawe apa sing arep
Iki minangka tim respon klien khusus yen ya!
Penyediaan server tansah cukup cepet. Dina sing padha utawa dina bisnis sabanjure
Pengalamanku rada tanggal, aku biasane pesen kothak khusus kanggo para klien lan karo Hetzner, kita mesthi duwe pengalaman sing paling apik. Uga paling bang kanggo dhuwit
Banjur sampeyan hubungi support, milih pangowahan disk, sampeyan pisanan mateni disk ing gropyokan (nyimpen geometri etc), padha ngganti disk lan banjur mbangun maneh gropyokan ing disk anyar. Mekaten. Kanthi SSD sampeyan bisa uga ora perlu nindakake iki maneh
Aku mbayangno iki butuh wektu, ta? Kaya ora 5 menit, nanging mungkin 3 jam ndhuwur? Dadi, yen aku ndalang kanggo mbukak saas (sing ngirim ora mudhun luwih saka 1h / dina), banjur nyewa mung 1 darmabakti server bisa qualified minangka "resiko"?
Kabeh mau bakal dadi disk hot-swap. Sampeyan mbusak disk lawas lan geser ing anyar (utawa ing kasus iki, marang wong-wong mau kanggo nindakaken). Sistem RAID mbangun maneh array ing latar mburi sajrone sawetara jam sabanjure
Sajrone wektu kasebut sampeyan bakal kelangan data yen RAID 5 lan disk liyane gagal
mdadm --manage
--remove
so your machine doesn't have a fit when the disk is detached. Or equivalent
For example I have loads of stuff on Linode but always make sure I keep backups off-linode, incase I get a random TOS account shutdown and they stop speaking to me etc
IT departments really need to revise their due diligence processes. I wonder how many folks were coerced to do a similar migration just to benefit from household brand credibility
Does anyone have experience to share with that kind of setup? What's the maintenance like?
I use single dedicated server that costs ~40EUR/month, AX41-NVME, and each runner is a separate user account to allow for some isolation
Depending on your setup, you might need to spent some time adjusting jobs to have proper setup/cleanup and isolation between them (but it's not really Hetzner specific, just general issue)
We provision them with ~200 lines of shell script, which we get away with because they are not running a "prod" workload. Don't forget to run "docker system prune" on a timer! Overall these machines have been mostly unobtrusive and reliable, and the engineers greatly appreciate the order of magnitude reduction in github actions time. I've also noticed that they are writing more automation tooling now since budget anxiety is no longer a factor and the infrastructure is so much faster
My only issue is that security scanners cant run on self-hosted runners (GitHub refuses the artifact result, so technically, they do run, but the results fail to upload)
Do you have any alternatives? I thought Hetzner was fairly unique in their dedicated server offerings (for the price, I mean)
Recent Linux kernels finally support these CPUs (do they have full support but if you host a service where you want predictable (and fast) response times why you use the mix of both cores? Or would you just turn off those efficient cores for the server-side usage?
I'm assuming you don'tyourself in the foot by running strictly single-threaded workflow explicitly pinned to the efficiency cores
> running strictly single-threaded workflow explicitly pinned to the efficiency cores
Those cores are slower than e.g. the cores from the (Desktop) AMD CPU we tested at the same time (offered from Hetzner). So it is rather expensive and inefficient to use Intel (Desktop) CPUs for server-side applications as we can only use their performance cores
When these guys open up dedicated servers in a USA region it's going to be huge. Unfortunately, at the moment only the cloud offering is available in the USA so you're stuck with a bit of latency round tripping to the EU
Weird. It seems like they are reading the origin header or something and just redirect HN users to the root of the website
Works fine if you copy the link and paste it in a new tab
httpswww.hetzner.com/customers/talkwalker
Amazon has done an amazing job of convincing people that their hosting choice is between cloud (aka, AWS) or the higher-risk, knowledge intensive, self-hosting (aka, colocation). You see this play out all the time in HN comments. CTOs make expensive and expansive decisions believing these are the only two options. AWS has been so good at this, that for CEOs and some younger devops and developers, it isn't even a binary choice anymore, there's only cloud
Do yourself, your career, and your employer a favor, and at least be aware of a few things
First, there are various types of hosting, each with their own risk and costs, strength and weaknesses. The option that cloud vendors don't want you to know about are dedicated servers (which Hetzner is a major provider of). Like cloud vendors, dedicated server vendors are responsible for the hardware and the network. (If you go deeper than say, EC2, then I'll admit cloud vendors do take more of the responsibility (e.g. failing over your database))
Second, there isn't nearly enough public information to tell for sure, but cloud plays a relatively minor role in world-wide server hosting. Relative to other players, AWS _is_ big (biggest? not sure). But relative to the entire industry? Low single-digit %, if that. The industry is fragmented, there are thousands of players, offering different solutions at different scales
For general purpose computing/servers, cloud has two serious drawbacks: price and performance. When people mention that cloud has a lower TCO, they're almost always comparing it to colocation and ignoring (or aren't aware of) the other options
Performance is tricky because it overlaps with scalability. But the raw performance of an indivisible task matters a lot. If you can do something in 1ms on option A and 100ms on option B, but B can scale better (but possibly not linearly), your default should not be option B (especially if option A is also cheaper)
The only place I've seen cloud servers be a clear win is GPUs
The primary deciding factor is always security. You simply cannot use any small vendor because of the physical security (or the lack thereof). Unless of course you do not care about security. If a red team can just waltz into you DC and connect directly to your infra is it game over for some businesses. You can easily do this with most vendors
The secondary deciding factor is networking. Most traditional co-los have very limited understanding of networking. A CCIE or two can make a real difference. Unfortunately those guys usually work some bigger companies
The third deciding factor air conditioning and electricity considerations.case you are facing an OVH situation. httpswww.datacenterdynamics.com/en/opinions/ovhclouds-dat
(It is really funny, because I have warned them that their AC/cooling solution is not sufficient, and they explained to me that I am wrong. I was not aware of the rest (wooden elements, electricity fuckups, etc.)
During the year, an article in VO News by Clever Technologies claimed there were flaws in the power design of the site, for instance that the neighboring SBG4 facility was not independent, drawing power from the same circuit as SBG2. It's clear that the site had multiple generations, and among its work after the fire, OVHcloud reported digging a new power connection between the facilities
The fourth would be probably pricing. TCO is one consideration, after you made sure that the minimum requirements are met, but only after
So based on the needs somebody can choose wisely, based on the business requirements For example, running an airline vs running a complex simulations have very different requirements
From a sales point of view, I agree with you that, for a lot of folks, this might be the main concern. If you're doing B2B or government work this might be, by far, the most important thing to you
However, this is at least partially pure sales and security theatre. It's about checkboxes and being able to say "we use AWS" and having everyone else just nod their head and say "they use AWS."
I'm not a security expert (though I have held security-related/focused programming roles), but as strong as AWS is with respect to paper security, in practice, the foundation of cloud (i.e. sharing resources), seems like a dealbreaker to me (especially in a rowhammer/spectre world). Not to mention the access AWS/Amazon themselves have and the complexity of cloud-hosted system (and how easy it is to misconfigure them (1 About 8 years ago, when I worked at a large international bank, that was certainly how cloud was seen. I'm not sure if that's changed. Of course, they owned their own (small) DCs
(1) - httpsnews.ycombinator.com/item?id=26154038 The tool was removed from github (conspiracy theory but I still find the discussion there relevant
so, anywhere where your workloads or data are physically co-located on the same hardware as someone else's should be automatically disqualified, right?
Doing your career a favor is how we ended up in this situation in the first place. The tech industry had way too much free money floating around that there was never any market pressure to operate profitably, so complexity increased to fill the available resources
This has now gone on long enough that there are now entire careers built around the idea that the cloud is the only way - people that spend all day rewriting YAML/Terraform files, or developers turning every single little feature into a complex, failure-prone distributed system because the laptop-grade CPU their code runs on can't do it synchronously in a reasonable amount of time
All these people, their managers and decision makers could end up out of a job or face inconvenient consequences if the industry were to call out thecollectively, so it's in everyone's best interest to not call it out. Im sure there are cloud DevOps people that feel the same way but wouldnt admit it because its more lucrative for them to keep pretending
This works at multiple levels too, as a startup, you wouldn't be considered "cool" and deserving of VC funding (the aforementioned "free money") if you don't build an engineering playground based on laptop-grade CPU performance rented by the minute at 10x+ markup. You wouldn't be considered a "cool" place to work for either if prospective "engineers" or DevOps people can't use this opportunity to put "cloud" on their CVs and brag about solving self-inflicted problems
Clueless, non-tech companies are affected too - they got suckered into the whole "cloud" idea, and admitting their mistake would be politically inconvenient (and potentially require firing/retraining/losing some employees), so they'd rather continue and pour more money into the dumpster fire
A reckoning on the cloud and a return to rationality would actually work out well for everyone, including those who have a reason to use it, as it would force them to lower their prices to compete. But as long as everyone is happy to pay theirmarkups, why would they not take the money?
httpswww.svb.com/account/startup-banking-offers
For one, people generally underestimate the performance cost of their choices. And that reaches from app code, to their db and their infrastructure
Were talkingof magnitude of compounding effects. Big constant factors that can dominate the calculation. Big multipliers on top
Horizontal scaling with all its dollar cost, limitations, complexity, maintenance cost and gotchas becomes a fix on top of something that shouldnt be a problem in the first place
Personally, so far, the best near-equivalent provider I've found that actually offers well-specced machines in North America, is OVH, with their HGR line and their Montreal DC. Are there any other contenders?
And if not, why not? what's so hard about getting into the high-spec dedicated hosting space in the US specifically? Import duties on parts, maybe? (I've found plenty of low-spec bare-metal providers in the US, and plenty of high-spec cloud VM hosting providers in the US, and plenty of high-spec bare-metal providers outside the US; but so far, no other high-spec bare-metal providers in the US.)
[1] httpsservicestack.net/blog/finding-best-us-value-cloud-pr..
We're currently using these at OVH: httpswww.ovhcloud.com/en-ca/bare-metal/high-grade/hgr-hciand we really need the cores, the memory, the bandwidth, and the huge gobs of direct-attached NVMe. (We do highly-concurrent realtime analytics; these machines run DBs that each host thousands of concurrent multi-second OLAP queries against multi-TB datasets, with basically zero temporal locality between queries. It'd actually be a perfect use-case for a huge honking NUMA mainframe with "IO accelerator" cards, but there isn't an efficient market for mainframesso they're not actually price-optimal here compared to aof replicated DB shards running on commodity hardware.)
Also they'll run off with your money if you can't provide an ID after you've already paid. No service but no refunds either
But seriously, there's been lots of talk on HN recently about alternatives to the big. This is it - rent a big server and do it all on Linux
Request on Hold - Suspicous Activity Detected
Edit: so I use that time wisely to shitpost about it on HN, then check TrustPilot and I see:
"Unfortunately, based on your description (I need a ticket number or other customer information to find you in our system), you accidentally resembled an abuser."
Not a good outward appearance. I'll stick with AWS and paying through the nose
- stop operating in countries they don't want business from
- treat people equally
What they are doing is:
Is this a business? No
Should we follow any of the practices of HN? I do not think so. My personal website has a more scalable infrastructure than HN
There is no excuse for being a victim of an algorithm
And I never get this anywhere else!
In technology circles I am guilty until proven innocent
That's the difference, the outcome of which is the technology provider can quiteoff
Is anybody aware of anything that's price competitive in the US (or within a 50ms ping)?
[1] httpswww.ionos.com/servers/value-dedicated-server#package..
OVH [1] is not quite as cheap, but I can't really think of anyone else in the area that is totally comparable. One draw of OVH, Hetzner, etc, for me over the truly small, cheap dedicated server providers is they both have pretty decent networks and free DDoS mitigation, which is really nice for things like game servers and such where CloudFlare isn't an option
OVH's sub-brands like SoYouStart [2] will sell you decently specced dedicated servers started at around $30 a month in Quebec, which tends to be more than good enough for most of my "US" needs
They do have a couple datacenters in the United States too, not just Canada (+ quite a few in Europe, one in Singapore, some in Australia, etc), but I believe the Virginia/Oregon servers aren't available on the cheaper SYS site -- still cheap, though, but not quite $30 cheap
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[2]: (main downsides compared to OVH proper is the connection is capped at ~250Mbps, and although all servers have DDoS mitigation, the SYS and Kimsufi servers don't allow you to leave it on 24/7 -- so when you get attacked, it might take a minute or so to kick in, and then it'll remain on for 24 hours, I believe)
Edit1: missed word;
Edit2: people pointed below that the us locations don't have dedicated servers, cloud servers only;
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