Akekho osebenzisa ngokungathi sína i-AWS/GCP/Azure ukuze abe nama-VM ambalwa noma amaseva azinikezele ewodwa. Uma umuntu ekwazi ukwenza umsebenzi wakhe ogcwele isib. U-Hetzner ngaphandle kokuhlupheka okuningi ngakho-ke akufanele asebenzise noma yimaphi amanye amapulatifomu amafu kwasekuqaleni njengoba azobe ekhokha ngokweqile. MHLELI: Ngifuna ukucacisa ukuthi ngeshwa ngiyazi ukuthi ezinye izinkampani zisebenzisa i-big 3 njengabahlinzeki be-VPS abalula kodwa kubonakala sengathi wonke umuntu uyavuma lapha ukuthi kuwukumosha imali futhi lokho kungenye yamaphuzu ami abalulekile, yingakho futhi ukuqhathanisa ezinkulu vs i-Hetzner noma yimuphi omunye umhlinzeki we-VPS ezinikezele / ozinikezele weseva akusizi ngalutho njengoba esebenzisa amacala ahlukene okusebenzisa. Ngicabanga ukuthi ubukela phansi kakhulu inani lamakhasimende amafu enza ukuphakamisa nokushintsha okulula (Okubi kakhulu kwakuwuhlelo olufinyelela phezulu mhlawumbe ngokushaya okungu-5 ngesekhondi phakathi nesikhathi esimatasa sokuphela kwenyanga esihlala kuma-pods amaningi kuqoqo le-GCP Kubernetes.) Ngenze lokho kanye ekuqaleni kwangaphambili. Kuyavunywa, bekuyiminyaka eyi-10 edlule, kodwa ukusuka ku-infra eshibhile ukuya ku-AWS kugcine kube uhhafu wezindleko zalokho okwakuphindwe kabili i-infra (sakha i-geo-redundancy ephelele ngesikhathi esifanayo) Iningi lamakhasimende ami lenza lokho kanye - nje i-EC2 ku-AWS Yebo, isipiliyoni sami singase singameli icala eliphakathi, kodwa ngokuqinisekile akuwona "akukho muntu". Ngikholwa ukuthi iningi liyakwenza ngoba i-AWS/Azure "inketho ephephile"Ukukhetha i-AWS/Azure inguqulo yesimanje ethi "Akekho owake waxoshwa ngokuthenga i-IBM"-- Ngisanda kuzama u-Hertzner ngokwami ​​futhi ngiyayithanda isipiliyoni okwamanje. Ngiyaqaphela ukuthi ngiqhathanisa ama-apula namawolintshi lapha kodwa; I-Hertzners UI ishesha kakhulu futhi ilula uma iqhathaniswa ne-AWS futhi amanani entengo mahle. Ngisho nama-invoyisi abo ahlanzekile futhi ayaqondakala Uma bezokwenza lokho kungani bengakhethi okungenani i-Lightsail? Akuwona wonke amabhizinisi anquma ukuthi lokho kuyingozi okufanele incishiswe, kodwa amanye enza Ngiyazi ifu lingenza umqondo kodwa hhayi kanje Hmm, noma yini engenaso ithrafikhi enkulu ngokuhlanya kanye nezidingo, futhi kulezo zimo abathengisi bamafu abakhulu basashibhile futhi kulula ngokwanele kulawo macala okusebenzisa. I-Hetzner ibonakala ilingana nekhasimende "elingelikhulu ngokwanele ukuthola izaphulelo ezinkulu nokusekelwa kodwa likhulu ngokwanele ukuba nezikweletu ezinkulu zamafu"futhi lokho kulungile. [1] httpsaws.amazon.com/lightsail/ Izinkampani eziningi nabantu benza imithwalo engasetshenziswa kangcono ku-hardware ezinikele ku-EC2 ngoba "ifu">U-Hetzner ngaphandle kokuhlupheka okuningi ngakho-ke akufanele asebenzise noma yimaphi amanye amapulatifomu amafu kwasekuqaleni njengoba azobe ekhokha ngokweqile. Ikhono lokuhlinzeka, ukususa ukunikezwa, ukuhlanganisa, ukulayisha ibhalansi nokuphatha ngaphandle kokukhuluma nabantu, ukulinda i-hardware noma ngisho nokuqonda ngokuningiliziwe ukuthi kwenzekani (yebo lokhu kubi, kodwa namanje ) kungesinye sezizathu ezinkulu. ifu lidumile. Ababungazi abaningi abazinikele sebengcono kakhulu kule ndawo Kuyenzeka ngempela. Bakha isoftware ethile, bayisebenzise ku-VM futhi bathi isoftware isebenzisa insizakalo yedatha efiphalayo esusa ikhanda lokugcina izipele, okubekwe eceleni, ukuphinda uthole isikhathi, idatha evikelekile ekuphumuleni. Nginemibhalo emibalwa yegobolondo eyenza konke lokho futhi ngisebenzise i-Hetzner kodwa ngiyakwazi ukucabangela inhlangano ethile ngemali eyanele ukuze ngingabi nandaba nenani lokusebenziseka kalula komunye umuntu onakekela idatha yakho. Sebevele bakhokhela ifu nomuntu ozophatha izinto zabo zefu ngibheje ukuthi bazokhipha uhhafu wokuthi uma unikeza imibhalo yakho Ngicabanga ukuthi lokho kukhombisa nje ukuthi laba bahlinzeki bamafu bawumbhedo kangakanani uma ungavele ubhale imibhalo ethile ukuze uyiphathe. Ngikholwa ukuthi ngiyakholwa ;) Ngivumelanisa leyo nemikhiqizo ethile engiyithuthukisela amakhasimende ami. Nokho akusifanele isikhathi sami sokuzihlupha ngokukhulula lezo ezisesimweni esijwayelekile. Kungazelelwe kuzomele ngenelise izithiyo eziqondile ze-bazillion kanye nezidingo zabasebenzisi abajwayelekile Ngiyajabula ukuthi ngihlala ngibona ukuthi le nkampani inhle kangakanani muva nje - Umuntu ojwayele ukuthosa amaseva we-lil hetzner ukuze ajabule Ngiyaqonda ukuthi awukaze uthole ukuhlaselwa kwesikali 'esikhulu'kodwa kuthatha u-$5 ukuze wehlisele phansi iseva ye-hetzner (kucatshangwa ukuthi awazi ukuthi ungayenza kanjani ngokwakho) httpswww.cloudflare.com/products/cloudflare-spectrum/ httpskrebsonsecurity.com/2018/04/ddos-for-hire-service-we.. kufanele kwanele - EX44: Intel Core i5-13500 / 64 GB / 2x512 GB NVMe - Kusukela ku-44 [2] - EX101: Intel Core i9-13900 / 64 GB / 2x1.92 TB NVMe - Kusukela ku-84 [3] [1] httpswww.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver/ax52 [2] httpswww.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver/ex44 [3] httpswww.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver/ex101 - EX101: Intel Core i9-13900 / 64 GB / 2x1.92 TB NVMe - Kusukela ku-84 - AX101: AMD Ryzen 9 5950X / 128GB / 2x3.84 TB NVMe - Kusukela ku-101 Ukwandisa inkumbulo ibe ngu-128 GB, okungukuthi kuma-DIMM amabili esiteshini ngasinye, kwehlisa isivinini sememori, kakhulu ku-AMD (DDR5-3600) kune-Intel (DDR5-4400) Ukweqisa inkumbulo, njengakumakhompuyutha amageyimu, ngeke kwamukeleke kumakhompyutha eseva Kodwa-ke eyokuqala yami yayivame ukuqala kabusha ngokungahleliwe futhi ukusekelwa kwakungelona usizo kakhulu. Bathi angivele ngiqashe enye, ngakwenza. Okwesibili kwaqala kabusha ngokungahleliwe kanye ngonyaka. Ngicabanga ukuthi eyokuqala iye endalini futhi isaqala kabusha ngenjabulo U-Hetzner uzizwa njengomhlinzeki wefu wesaphulelo esiqinile. Ngisabakhetha ngaphezu kwe-AWS noma i-Azure yemisebenzi engabalulekile enesabelomali esincane Ngababuza ngesinye sezigameko, bathi i-breaker ephakela i-rack inakho. Ngingacabanga ukuthi lokho kuyimbangela evamile yale nkinga Enye inkinga ukwehluleka kwediski. Bashintsha idiski ngokushesha okukhulu (<1hr) kodwa ngaphandle kwalapho uzimisele ukukhokhela idiski elisha sha alingana nanoma yini anayo esitokweni. Kwesinye isikhathi lokho kubonakala kuyiyunithi uqobo esondele ekufeni, futhi kwezinye izinyanga ezimbalwa, qagela ukuthi kwenzekani. Ikakhulukazi bakunikeza okuthile okunengqondo ukuze konke kuphumelele ekugcineni AbakwaHetzner bangabahlinzeki bamafu besaphulelo. Ngemali, empeleni ngijabule ngabo. Okuwukuphela kwenketho enengqondo endaweni yentengo efanayo kungaba ukuzibamba futhi angiqiniseki nakancane ukuthi kungakufanelekela lokho Kuqale ukusolwa njengezinhlobo ezithile ze-RAM, ngakho-ke ngacela ukushintshwa kwe-RAM ngeshwa okungazange kungisize. Bese kuba isibuyekezo se-BIOS nakho esingakusizanga. Omunye wabe esethola ukuthi i-nohz=off ku-KCL iyilungisile inkinga futhi ngayisebenzisa ngempumelelo ngale ndlela iminyaka embalwa. Ngemva kwesikhathi eside okungenani i-dist-upgrade eyodwa ngakhumbula lokho futhi ngasusa inketho futhi, futhi iseva isasebenza kahle. Akukho ukuziphatha kwangempela kule ndaba engicabanga ukuthi, kodwa okungenani ukusekelwa kusabela kakhulu, futhi njengoba umsuka wawungacacile ngaleso sikhathi akazange angabaze ukushintshanisa izinto ezingahleliwe uma ucelile. Futhi ube ne-HDD engalungile ngeSonto eledlule kuseva eyodwa futhi wacela ukushintshwa, abakwenza phakathi nemizuzu engama-20 ngivule ithikithi. Ngicabanga ukuthi kungaba umkhuba omuhle ukubika iseva ku-hetzner nakuba Hhayi ukwehlisela isipiliyoni sakho, kodwa ngokweqiniso, okuhlangenwe nakho kwami ​​​​ngokusekelwa kwe-Hetzner ngokuvamile kube kuhle ngokungalindelekile. Ayeshesha kakhulu ukuphendula, avame ukuqala ngokushesha kunoma yini inkinga yami uma nginikeza ulwazi olwanele ethikithini lokuqala, njll. Futhi ngokungafani ne-OVH, angizange ngizwe sengathi ngidinga ukubashayela ucingo ukuze ngithole. isevisi ehloniphekile. Kuyamangaza ukuzwa ukuthi isixazululo sabo sithi "ukuqasha esinye"Isipiliyoni esimnandi sisonke kimi, ikakhulukazi uma kubhekwa ukuthi amaseva ashibhe kangakanani. Okuwukuphela kwezifiso zami zangempela kungaba amaseva azinikezele e-US noma eCanada, futhi mhlawumbe okuthile phakathi kwe-1Gbps engalinganisiwe kanye neminikelo ye-10Gbps enemitha -- ukwazi ukuqhuma ngaphezu kwe-gigabit ngezikhathi ezithile ngaphandle kokukhokha imali yomkhawulokudonsa engu-1/TB kungaba kuhle. I-IIRC uthola i-30tb/ngenyanga ifakiwe - ngakho-ke "ayikhokhi lutho uma iqhathaniswa ne-tb yokuqala"- kodwa ngingaba nephutha - angikabi nawo amaphrojekthi lapho i-10gbps inengqondo. Bangabahlinzeki besaphulelo.Kokuhlangenwe nakho kwami ​​nokho, lolu hlobo lwezinkinga luyivelakancane kakhulu.Ziyavela manje kanye nazo.Ngizovele ngi-ode iseva entsha.Enkampanini eyodwa engangizibandakanye nayo, i-hetzner yasetshenziswa kusukela ekuqaleni futhi izakhiwo zakhiwa eduze kwayo, futhi ngesikhathi esithile sibale izindleko uma kuqhathaniswa nokusebenzisa i-AWS noma okufanayo.Ukonga izindleko bekungu-I-Hetzner ihlupha kakhulu, kodwa umbuzo uwukuthi uzimisele ukukhokha malini ukuze ususe lo bunzima, futhi ngayiphi indlelaYonke into ijwayelekile njengezinga lokushisa, umthwalo we-cpu njll. umthwalo awusebenzi kakhulu.Iseva iyindali ngempela nakubaOkunye okungeyona endalini eyodwa ibe yinto eqinileKodwa okuhlanganisa inkundla yokucushwa kokufinyelela, ukuqapha , ukuthunyelwa, ukushintshwa okuzenzakalelayo, nezinye izinto eziningi.I-AWS iyonke ayiqhathaniseki ngempela nokuthola amaseva ku-hetzner.(Ngaphandle uma kuyilokho kuphela okufunayo kubo, kodwa ukhokha ngokweqile izinto eziningi ongazisebenzisi)Kubonakala sengathi i-Hetzner ukuphela kwenkampani emhlabeni enikeza lolu hlobo lwe amanani, akunjalo?Yini ebanjwayo?Ungathola ihadiwe ye-server-grade kubo, kodwa-ke umehluko wamanani awubalulekile kangako uma uqhathaniswa nabanye abahlinzekiYebo, i-RAM engeyona ye-ECC iyinkinga, kodwa lokho kuthuthukiswa kalula kumaseva abo e-AMDKwama-63 uzothola ibhokisi le-Ryzen 7 7700 (Zen 4, 8 core, 16 thread) eline-64GB ECC RAM kanye nama-SSD angu-2x1TB NVMe.I-N2D-Standard-16 ye-Google Cloud enama-cores angu-8 (imiluko engu-16 ye-vCPU, i-Zen 2 noma i-Zen 3), 64GB ECC RAM, futhi asikho isitoreji esibiza u-$550/mo.Yebo, kungase kungabi ukuqhathanisa okuphelele, kodwa futhi intengo ka-8 - oh, futhi i-Google izokukhokhisa u-$0.085/GB ngomkhawulokudonsa u-Hetzner awuphonsa mahhala.Ngisho ne-Spot Pricing ye-Google ingaphezu kokuphindwe kabili kwezindlekoNgiyavuma ukuthi i-RAM engeyona ye-ECC iyinkinga, kodwa uma uzimisele ukuhamba namaseva e-AMD, lokho iba yinkinga eshibhe kakhulu ukuyilungisa[1] httpswww.youtube.com/watch?v=5eo8nz_niiMSisebenzisa ingxube ye-SYS ne-Hetzner lapha futhi sikuthole kokubili ukuze ibe yinhle kakhulu futhi iqhathaniswe kakhuluInkumbulo ye-ECC emikhiqizweni yamafu?Ngingathanda ukucabanga ukuthi zisebenzisa ama-CPU e-AMD (usekelo lwe-ECC yezinga labathengi; njengoba wonke umuntu kufanele), i-ECC RAM, kanye nesitoreji esifakwe esibukweni okungenani.Nokho ngingathanda ngempela ukubona izici ezinjalo eziyisisekelo ziqinisekiswaAzikho kulezi ezikhiyiwe.Ama-Postgres afana kakhulu uma uzilawula wena, noma uma uvumela i-Scaleway noma i-AWS noma i-OVH ikulawulele.Imisebenzi ingaba uma ingefomethi ekhethekile (Lambda), kodwa cishe wonke umuntu ufanekisele Iziqukathi njengesevisi (KNative/OpenFaaS)Kimina, kukhona uhlobo hhayi eyodwa.Ngokuvamile ngibe nokusekelwa okuhle kakhulu futhi okusheshayo, ngisho naseziphakelini zendali (ezinzima kakhulu ngokwamanani kunalawo axhunyiwe -- isb., bengikhokha njengama-euro angu-40 ngenyanga ngesitoreji esingu-40TB + a i-i7 yesimanje kanye ne-RAM engu-64GB)'Ukubamba'kwangempela ukunikezwa okulinganiselwe; akulona uhlobo lwesitolo esisodwa lapho i-AWS okuyilapho ungaqasha khona ama-8x A100 kuma-datacenters ayishumi nambili kuyilapho ubavumela ukuba baphathe imininingwane yakho egciniwe kanye nezinye izinto eziyibhiliyoniKodwa uma nje badinga i-CPU eningi, inkumbulo noma isitoreji, abafuni ukukhokha imali eshisiwe yomkhawulokudonsa, futhi iYurophu ilungile, zinhle kakhulu#>Kubonakala sengathi uHetzner ukuphela kwenkampani emhlabeni ukunikeza lolu hlobo lwentengo, akunjalo?I-OVH ayishibhile kangako, ngokuvamile, kodwa banokunikela okuningi okungabizi, ikakhulukazi emigqeni yabo ye-SoYouStart/Kimsufi [1], enezinhlobonhlobo eziningi kakhulu mayelana nama-datacenters, okuhlanganisa i-Singapore ne-Australia, kuye ngokuthi yini. okudingayo e-Asia/APAC -- okungenzeka kube ngcono ukuncishiswa kwe-DDoS kune-Hetzner kanyeI-LeaseWeb nayo ingashibhe ngempela.Amanani abo asesidlangalaleni kuwebhusayithi eyinhloko angabonakala ebiza kakhulu, noma okungenani ashibhile i-Hetzner-tier, kodwa uma u-oda inombolo ehloniphekile yamaseva, abonakala enikeza izaphulelo ezinkulu zevolumuIsibonelo, ngomthengisi [2], ngine-100TB yomkhawulokudonsa wabo "premium"@ 10Gbps, Xeon E-2274G, 64GB RAM, 4x8TB hard drives, kanye ne-1TB NVMe SSD e-Amsterdam engiyisebenzisa njengebhokisi lembewu lingama-60 Euro Omunye umhlinzeki onezindleko eziphansi, kuya ngokuthi udinga ini, e-Asia okufanele ukubalula ukuthi Isivunguvungu. Ngikholwa ukuthi abanikazi be-Path.net, futhi baye bathola ukuncishiswa kwe-DDoS okungcono kunabanye abahlinzeki abaningi ngaphandle kokubiza ingalo nomlenze; e-Tokyo, u-$140 uzokuthola i-E3 1240v2 + 16GB RAM futhi u-$200 uzokuthola i-Ryzen 3600X + 32GB RAM, womabili amaseva ane-10Gbps engalinganisiwe. Akuyona inketho enhle kumuntu odinga ithoni yezinhlobonhlobo ku-hardware yakhe, kodwa uma udinga okuthile komkhawulokudonsa ophezulu onama-specs ahloniphekile e-Asia, akukubi. [1]: Kufanele kuqashelwe ukuthi, nakuba ingalinganisiwe, i-SYS ngokuvamile ikhawulelwe kokuthile okufana nesivinini esingu-250Mbps, futhi i-Kimsufi ingu-100Mbps. Uba nenhlanhla ngezikhathi ezithile futhi ngesinye isikhathi iseva yakho ine-gigabit engavaliwe, kodwa kumaseva aqinisekisiwe womkhawulokudonsa ophezulu, isiza esikhulu se-OVH ukuphela kwendlela ongakhetha ngayo. [2]: Ngisebenzisa i-Andy10gbit, elungele izidingo zami - isb., angidingi ukufaka kabusha i-OS 24/7 noma ngibe nosekelo olusheshayo njengoba isanda kusetshenziselwa izifufula. Kungaba inketho embi ebhizinisini, noma kunjalo, njengoba bengingeke ngifune ukuthembela kumuntu othile ku-Reddit uma kukhona okungahambi kahle ngendlela enyantisayo. I-WalkerServers ingesinye isibonelo somunye wabathengisi be-LeaseWeb abashibhe kakhulu Isevisi yabo ibilokhu ingenasici futhi amaseva abo avele asebenze Bengisebenzisa amaqoqo e-k8s ku-hetzner isikhathi eside manje futhi ukuguquguquka kwentengo yikho kanye engikulindele kumsingathi! Manje ngalokhu okungeziwe uHetzner uvala elinye igebe elenze amaphrojekthi achitha izinkulungwane ezengeziwe ebhizinisini. Ngakho-ke angigcini nje ngokujabula kodwa futhi ngiyaziqhenya ngokuthi baqhubeka nokusungula izinto ezintsha! Ngangivame ukusebenzela iqembu elaliqasha inqwaba yamaseva kubo futhi sasiba nokwehluleka kwediski cishe njalo ngemva kwesonto ngalinye, okwakudinga ukudala ithikithi lokusekela nokubacela ukuthi bashintshe idrayivu ukuze sakhe kabusha uhlu lwe-RAID. Basebenzise amadrayivu wabathengi be-SATA avamile futhi mhlawumbe ayemadala noma avuselelwe noma okuthile Ngijabule kakhulu ngo-Hetzner ngomsebenzi omningi * Nakuba i-GCP (emuva lapho kwakuyi-AppEngine nje) yayingahlali ngale ndlela futhi njengabasebenzisi be-GAE ngaphakathi kwe-Google bekufanele sibhale amakhodi ethu ngalokho ebesikulindele ukuthi kungaphumeleli, ukuzama futhi, ukuhlehla njll. Ngokusobala ukufaka esikhundleni sezici ze-AWS ezifana ne-RDS multi-AZ masters ngeke kube lula futhi kungase kudingeke ukukhokha yonke inkokhelo ye-AWS, kodwa lokho kuncike ngempela kusayizi webhizinisi, ithrafikhi, ulwazi lwangaphakathi nezinye izici eziningi. Nge-hetzner - ukwehluleka kusho ukuthi ukuqapha kwakho kutholwe ukwehluleka kwediski, kukuthumelele isexwayiso se-pagerduty, okumele uhlole isixwayiso, uthole ukuthi yini ehlulekile, bese uthumela ithikithi lokusekela ukuze kushintshwe idiski. Lokhu kuzothatha amahora ambalwa, ngemva kwalokho kufanele wakhe kabusha uhlu lwakho lwe-RAID, futhi ngethemba ukuthi awasekho amadiski ahlulekayo. Ngaso sonke isikhathi sisebenza ngokusebenza okonakele (Ungangizwa kabi, i-hetzner _great_, ngiyisebenzise iminyaka futhi ngincoma kakhulu ezimweni eziningi - kodwa umqondo wokuthi ukwehluleka nokuthembeka kwabo kufana "nefu"kuyinto efiselekayo) Ku-AWS, kukhona okuphuka njalo. Isevisi eyodwa kwezingu-100 izohlale inezinkinga zokusebenza, ukutholakala okonakele noma okunye okuqhubekayo Ku-Hetzner, i-hard drive, i-CPU noma i-RAM komunye wemishini izoba khona njalo ngemva kweminyaka embalwa. Kungenzeka (Lokhu kushintsha njengoba isevisi yakho ikhula futhi ikhula, kodwa kunenani eliphakeme lethrafikhi elingathathwa yimishini embalwa.) Ngibe nesibopho sokusebenzisa izigidi zamadola ze-AWS kule minyaka eyishumi edlule. Ngike ngaba ne-AWS cishe enguziro edale isikhathi sokuphumula ngaleso sikhathi ngaphandle kwezinkinga ezimbalwa ezinkulu ezithinte umhlaba wonke (ngokwesibonelo lokho kucisha okukhulu kwe-S3) - kodwa "ama-100s ezinsizakalo azohlala enezinkinga zokusebenza noma ukutholakala okonakele"awakaze bekuyiqiniso kimi. Ngike ngaba namakhulu ezikhathi ngithathe umhlalaphansi - kodwa konke lokho kuyazenzakalela futhi akunasikhathi sokuphumula Ezinyangeni ezingu-18 ezidlule enkampanini yami yamanje, sibe nesikhathi sokuphumula esingu-100% - akukaze kube nesigameko esisodwa se-AWS esisithinte e-us-east-2. Futhi njengoba sisebenzisa i-ECS ne-fargate, akuzange kudingeke sikhathazeke ngokuthatha umhlalaphansi Ngakolunye uhlangothi - ngiphinde ngaba namaseva amaningi womuntu siqu ne-hetzner phakathi neminyaka edlule - futhi i-hardware yi-_old_. Ngibe nama-hard drive okungenani ama-3 ahamba kabi eminyakeni engu-8 edlule Futhi, ngisancoma kakhulu i-hetzner ezimweni eziningi - kodwa ngicabanga ukuthi kubalulekile ukungena ekuqondeni umehluko wemfanelo yezinto ezifana nokuqapha izinga lehadiwe. Ngakho-ke ngicabanga ukuthi ungasola iqembu lakho ngoku-oda i-sata yabathengi? [1] httpswww.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver/ax52/configurat.. Sibe nama-aof racks futhi ukwehluleka kwabalandeli kufanele kube okunye okungajwayelekile. Ngisho nakumuntu wami nganginokwehluleka kwangempela, okukodwa kubanga umsindo >Bekusabalulekile ngoba ishibhile, kodwa ishibhile ngoba akuyona i-hardware entsha nethembekile Awahlukile ngempela kunefu, awathengi amaseva aphezulu, azenzela okwawo njenge-hetzner, ngeyunithi eshibhe kakhulu yokusebenza ngakunye. Umbiko omkhulu wolimi lwesiJalimane: httpswww.golem.de/news/besuch-im-rechenzentrum-so-betreib.. Izinga lokushisa le-CPU: 40C Ngisho ifu likaHerzner lisebenza nje angazi ukuthi likwenza kanjani kodwa lishibhile Uma unamaseva angu-500 isikhathi eside, futhi iskripthi esisha sithola ukuthi u-5% unokwehluleka kanye nama-imeyili angu-25 ngesikhathi esifanayo, ngiyabona ukuthi kungani u-Hetzner angase afune i-imeyili eyodwa. Izinombolo zenziwe, kodwa uthola umqondo Kuyinto nje okufanele ukwenze ngokwakho nge-Hetzner Ngiyazisebenzisa, futhi ngijabule kakhulu ngakho kokubili amanani, ukwethembeka kanye nesevisi Okubi kuphela okungaba khona mayelana nabo: ama-IP abo amile awahlali "ehlanzekile": Ngibe nezimo ezimbalwa lapho i-IP engabelwe yona yafakwa ohlwini lwabangavunyelwe futhi kwathatha ukubuya naphambili nesevisi yabo yamakhasimende ukulungisa inkinga ( uthole i-IP entsha) Kodwa ngaphandle kwaleso silinganiso sekhwalithi / samanani siphezulu kakhulu kune-GCP, i-AWS ne-ilk yazo Ngiphinde ngisebenzise i-OVH, ihloniphekile futhi, ku-ballpark efanayo ne-Hetzner Ingabe leyo akuyona inkinga ozohlala uthola nayo $noma yimuphi umhlinzeki? Ngeke wazi ukuthi ngubani obekade ephethe leyo IP nokuthi benzani ngayo Isibonelo bengizama ukuthuthela iqembu elikhulu lokushintshisana ngiye ehhovisi 365 muva nje futhi umsizi wabo wokuthuthela kwelinye izwe akakabuyekezwa ukuze asekele i-auth yesimanje yehhovisi 365 phakathi kwezinye izinto. Futhi ukuthutha kuhlulekile kuma-akhawunti abo ngesizathu esithile Ngokuqondene ne-theips: yebo lokho kuyenzeka kodwa akulona iphutha le-hetzners, njengoba i-ip owawuyabele isusiwe “kumlingisi omubi” ngaphambilini. Uma utshela umenzeli wakho wokwesekwa lokho, ngithole entsha ngaphandle kwenkinga HLELA: Okuxakayo, angikwazi ngisho nokubhala ama-akhawunti ami okushintshanisa ngo-ovh. ilokhu ilayisha futhi iyalayisha Sengiphinde ngaba ikhasimende futhi kusukela ekunikeleni kwabo ngefu le-vps futhi empeleni bengilokhu ngincoma lokho ngoba bekuneminyaka engenasici kiminaCha kodwa ngiyakuthola, kodwa benginakho ukwehluleka okuningi ngokujwayelekile ngamadiski okuphotha.Ngicabanga ukuthi kufanele kwenze ukuthi ama-SSD nama-NVME angcono kakhulu ekukutsheleni ukuthi ingakanani ijusi esele kuwo.Angicabangi ukuthi inkinga ye-hetzner iyodwa kodwa, njengoba amadiski kwamanye abasingathi ehlulekile nakimiNgangivame ukunakekela ezimbalwa "ezidala zakudala offices"kanye nokwehluleka kwe-Hard disk kuyadabukisa ukuthi nxazonke zethu, lapho usebenzisa insimbi engenaluthoEsinye isizathu se-kubernetes!Bahlinzeka ngomshayeli we-csi we-kubernetes ku-blockstorage yabo kanye nenethiwekhi yangasese yakho kokubiliungaba nezingcweti ze-VMS namanodi ensimbi engenaluthoNgokwami ​​ngibe nezinkinga zenethiwekhi kuphelaI-Hetzner bare metal inomkhawulokudonsa ongenamkhawuloUma udonsa utshani obufushane, ibhokisi lakho lizobe labelana nomkhawulokudonsa amabhokisi embewu ambalwa we-bittorrent noma inodi ye-CDN yevidiyo yomunye umuntuUma sekushiwo, ngisebenzisa amaphrojekthi amancane kakhulu namaseva futhi angikaze ngisebenze esikalini esidinga ngempela imithwalo esindayo ekhiqiza izinkulungwane zezikweletu zanyanga zonke kwa-GCPNgakho-ke ngicabanga ukuthi ama-dev amaningi alungiselelwa ukuqala amaphrojekthi awo okuqala ku-free-tiers yabahlinzeki abaningi bamafu kwenza kube nzima ngempela ukuthi bathuthele eziphakelini zabo lapho beyidingahttpswww.hetzner.com/sbIsibonelo, bengisebenzisa ezinye izivivinyo ezidinga i-RAM eningi.Njengamanje ungathola iseva eno-256GB RAM ngo-60/ngenyangahttpstil.simonwillison.net/llms/llama-7b-m2Isiteshi si kuwufanele futhi ukubhalisaAmaseva aqala ku-$9 ngenyanga.Isibonelo esiqhathanisekayo:I-Dual Xeons - 36 cores / 72 cores - 128GB memory - dual 1TB nvme - 5 IP's $80 ngenyanga ukusetha okungu-$0.Ukusetha nge-dual 2Tb nvme kungu-$100 ngenyangaNgihlanganisa amaseva ambalwa lapho ngo-$40 ngenyanga ngayinye, i-bandwith ine-1Gbit engalinganisiwe futhi iza nama-5ip's.Izithandani ezingu-1U kanye nemibhoshongo.Ngisanda kuthenga iseva esetshenzisiwe ye-1U e-Amazon ngo-$400.Inama-cores angu-48, imemori engu-96 GB kanye namadrayivu angu-4x1TB futhi ifike newaranti yonyaka owodwa ezingxenyeni ezithiI-Hetzner yayiqinile, kodwa inethiwekhi yabo yayidwetshiwe ngezinye izikhathiusanda kuchofozwa, ngeshwa ayisekho esitokweni.>Ngihlanganisa amaseva ambalwa lapho ngo-$40 ngenyanga ngayinyeingabe uhlala eduze?Noma ubathumelele iseva base beyifakile?Ungahlola futhi, babuyekeza uhlu ezinguqukweni zokutholakala kweseva.Abanye abahlinzeki kukhona i-Dedispec ne-Joesdatacenter, ingase ibe nokuthile esitokweni okufunayojoesdatacenter.com (Kansas City) ineseva eyodwa i-COLO ngo-$50 ngenyangaAngitholanga lutho nge-Googling, ngakho bengizibuza ukuthi ngabe ukhona yini osebenza endaweni ethile owenza lokhuNgijwayele ukuvala ama-VM lapho uma umuntu efa ngingakwazi ukuphotha enye ngokushesha ngaphandle kokuzikhandla (angikaze ngixhumane nabasekeli noma yini enjalo)Okunye ukwehluleka engabhekana nakho futhi kwadingeka ngiqaphele/ngizibonele ngokwami ​​ukuthi: ukushisa ngokweqile (kuthathe indawo yokunamathisela okushisayo lapho ngifaka ngibatshele ukuthi ngibone ukufundwa okungajwayelekile kwezibalo ze-CPU), ukuhluleka kwediski yokuhlasela noma ukushiswa okuphezulu kwe-ssd [okungukuthi. ukwehluleka ngokwengxenye, iseva isasebenza, bashintshe amadiski ahlulekile ngemva kokuba ngibatshele]Isikhathi esiningi izinkinga zixazululwa phakathi namahora angu-1-4 emalini eshibhile ka-Kimsufi kanye ne-SoYouStart, ngisho nangezimpelasonto nasebusuku.Ngokuvamile uma iseva isebenza ingadinga ukuvala shaqaNgijabule kakhulu ngalokhu njengoba ngichwepheshile kakhulu kulezo zifundo futhi ngithanda ukubheka ngaphansi kwe-hood, kodwa ngamaseva azinikezele kufanele ngempela wenze okunye ukulungisa/ukuqapha/ukuzihlela wena>Abaziqapheli ezinye izindaba zezempilo nokho (bengakwenza kanjani njengoba usebenzisa isistimu yakho?) ngakho-ke ungenzi lutho ngaphambi kokuba zithole isimo "phansi" Iseva yami inekhadi le-hardware raid. Ngibe nesigameko esisodwa lapho i-OVH ingithintile futhi yathi kunenkinga ngeyodwa yamadrayivu, nokuthi bazoqalisa kabusha iseva ngesikhathi esingu-X ukuze bayishintshe. Benza kanjalo, futhi inkinga yaxazululwa ngaphandle kwezicelo noma ukungenelela ngakimi Ngibe nesinye isigameko lapho ngatshelwa khona ukuthi i-motherboard ifile. IIRC, ishone ngabo-1am ngesikhathi sami futhi yathathelwa indawo ngo-5am isikhathi sami. Impela baphinde bangivulela uhlelo. Bengilele sonke isikhathi, futhi nalokhu kwaxazululwa ngokungafaki izicelo noma ukungenelela ngakimi Ngaphandle kwalokhu, ngingabala inani lezikhathi lapho i-inthanethi noma inkinga yamandla yenza iseva yami ingafinyeleleki esandleni esisodwa. I-IMO, isipiliyoni esihle sosokhaya oshibhile Konke okushiwoyo: Isixazululo se-ipv6 se-OVH sibi ngendlela ehlekisayo futhi isizathu esisodwa sokuthi kungani ngingashintsha ababungazi, uma kuvela elingcono elinobukhona basenyakatho neMelika. Kodwa ezinye izinkinga azikona ukwehluleka futhi kufanele usebenzele kuzo ngasohlangothini lwakho Isikhathi esiningi ukuhlasela kuyisoftware kulezi zinsuku ngokwesibonelo I-IPv6 isebenza kahle kumaseva ami amaningi e-OVH Kodwa ngokuvamile zihamba ngaphezu kwakho nangaphezulu. Ngiqasha amaseva amaningana kubo iminyaka eminingi, futhi ngike kwenzeka kanye noma kabili ukuthi ngithole i-imeyili evela eqenjini labo le-datacenter engitshela ukuthi babone iphutha le-LED icwayiza kwenye yeziphakeli zami, futhi bazinikela ngenkuthalo hlela ukungenelela kokulungisa. Okwakufanele ngikwenze nje kwakuwukuqhamuka nefasitela lesikhathi sokuphumula futhi ngikhulume nabo. Slick kakhulu Ngingathi cishe uhhafu yenani eliphelele le-Hetzner likusekelo lwabo lwekhwalithi Ngibabonise ukwehla kungazelelwe kwemicimbi yamandla ezingodweni. "Kufanele kube inkinga ngokuguqulwa kwe-OS yakho esingakusekeli"KULUNGILE, ngisule umshini esithombeni sesitoko osinikezayo futhi usenemicimbi yokulahlekelwa amandla. "Impela, sizohlola ingcindezi yemizuzu embalwa uphumelele kahle, kuseyiphutha lakho!"Izehlakalo zenzeka ngokungahleliwe phakathi nesonto, ukuhlolwa kokucindezeleka ngeke kubonise lokho. Ungakwazi ukungihambisa emshinini ohlukile womzimba? "Cha."Lokhu kwaba phakathi nezinsuku ezimbalwa, lapho ngiba nomcimbi ozayo engangiDINGA iseva yawo. Ngagcina ngibuyele e-Azure futhi ngakhokha izindleko ezingu-10x, kodwa okungenani kusebenze kahle httpssi.imgur.com/3DKc9OC.png Angikaze ngilibone leli khasi ngaphambilini ngenkathi ngizama ukungena ngemvume. Yenza lokho okufunayo Lelo ithimba elithile lokuphendula lamakhasimende elizinikele uma kunjalo! Ukunikezwa kwamaseva kwakuhlala kushesha kakhulu. Usuku olufanayo noma usuku lwebhizinisi olulandelayo Okuhlangenwe nakho kwami ​​kungokwesikhathi esincane, ngangivame uku-oda amabhokisi anikezelwe kuwo ukuze ngiwenzele amakhasimende ethu futhi ngo-Hetzner sasihlale sinolwazi olungcono kakhulu. Futhi i-bang eningi ye-buck Ngemuva kwalokho uthintana nosekelo, uqoke ushintsho lwediski, uqale uvale idiski ekuhlaseleni (gcina i-geometry njll), bathathe indawo yediski bese uphinda wakhe kabusha i-raid kudiski entsha. Yilokho kuphela. Nge-SSD ungase ungabe usadinga ukwenza lokhu Ngicabanga ukuthi lokhu kuzothatha isikhathi, akunjalo? Thanda hhayi 5 imizuzu, kodwa mhlawumbe 3 amahora phezulu? Ngakho-ke, uma ngenza sengathi ngisebenzisa i-saas (lokho akufanele kube phansi ngaphezu kwe-1h/ngosuku), bese ukuqasha iseva ezinikele engu-1 kuphela kungafaneleka njengokuthi "okuyingozi"? Wonke azoba amadiski okushintshaniswa okushisayo. Ususa idiski endala bese uslayida kwentsha (noma kulokhu, batshele ukuthi bakwenze). Isistimu ye-RAID yakha kabusha amalungu afanayo ngemuva emahoreni ambalwa alandelayo Ngaleso sikhathi uzolahlekelwa idatha uma kuyi-RAID 5 futhi enye idiski ihluleka mdadm --phatha --remove so your machine doesn't have a fit when the disk is detached. Or equivalent For example I have loads of stuff on Linode but always make sure I keep backups off-linode, incase I get a random TOS account shutdown and they stop speaking to me etc IT departments really need to revise their due diligence processes. I wonder how many folks were coerced to do a similar migration just to benefit from household brand credibility Does anyone have experience to share with that kind of setup? What's the maintenance like? I use single dedicated server that costs ~40EUR/month, AX41-NVME, and each runner is a separate user account to allow for some isolation Depending on your setup, you might need to spent some time adjusting jobs to have proper setup/cleanup and isolation between them (but it's not really Hetzner specific, just general issue) We provision them with ~200 lines of shell script, which we get away with because they are not running a "prod" workload. Don't forget to run "docker system prune" on a timer! Overall these machines have been mostly unobtrusive and reliable, and the engineers greatly appreciate the order of magnitude reduction in github actions time. I've also noticed that they are writing more automation tooling now since budget anxiety is no longer a factor and the infrastructure is so much faster My only issue is that security scanners cant run on self-hosted runners (GitHub refuses the artifact result, so technically, they do run, but the results fail to upload) Do you have any alternatives? I thought Hetzner was fairly unique in their dedicated server offerings (for the price, I mean) Recent Linux kernels finally support these CPUs (do they have full support but if you host a service where you want predictable (and fast) response times why you use the mix of both cores? Or would you just turn off those efficient cores for the server-side usage? I'm assuming you don'tyourself in the foot by running strictly single-threaded workflow explicitly pinned to the efficiency cores > running strictly single-threaded workflow explicitly pinned to the efficiency cores Those cores are slower than e.g. the cores from the (Desktop) AMD CPU we tested at the same time (offered from Hetzner). So it is rather expensive and inefficient to use Intel (Desktop) CPUs for server-side applications as we can only use their performance cores When these guys open up dedicated servers in a USA region it's going to be huge. Unfortunately, at the moment only the cloud offering is available in the USA so you're stuck with a bit of latency round tripping to the EU Weird. It seems like they are reading the origin header or something and just redirect HN users to the root of the website Works fine if you copy the link and paste it in a new tab httpswww.hetzner.com/customers/talkwalker Amazon has done an amazing job of convincing people that their hosting choice is between cloud (aka, AWS) or the higher-risk, knowledge intensive, self-hosting (aka, colocation). You see this play out all the time in HN comments. CTOs make expensive and expansive decisions believing these are the only two options. AWS has been so good at this, that for CEOs and some younger devops and developers, it isn't even a binary choice anymore, there's only cloud Do yourself, your career, and your employer a favor, and at least be aware of a few things First, there are various types of hosting, each with their own risk and costs, strength and weaknesses. The option that cloud vendors don't want you to know about are dedicated servers (which Hetzner is a major provider of). Like cloud vendors, dedicated server vendors are responsible for the hardware and the network. (If you go deeper than say, EC2, then I'll admit cloud vendors do take more of the responsibility (e.g. failing over your database)) Second, there isn't nearly enough public information to tell for sure, but cloud plays a relatively minor role in world-wide server hosting. Relative to other players, AWS _is_ big (biggest? not sure). But relative to the entire industry? Low single-digit %, if that. The industry is fragmented, there are thousands of players, offering different solutions at different scales For general purpose computing/servers, cloud has two serious drawbacks: price and performance. When people mention that cloud has a lower TCO, they're almost always comparing it to colocation and ignoring (or aren't aware of) the other options Performance is tricky because it overlaps with scalability. But the raw performance of an indivisible task matters a lot. If you can do something in 1ms on option A and 100ms on option B, but B can scale better (but possibly not linearly), your default should not be option B (especially if option A is also cheaper) The only place I've seen cloud servers be a clear win is GPUs The primary deciding factor is always security. You simply cannot use any small vendor because of the physical security (or the lack thereof). Unless of course you do not care about security. If a red team can just waltz into you DC and connect directly to your infra is it game over for some businesses. You can easily do this with most vendors The secondary deciding factor is networking. Most traditional co-los have very limited understanding of networking. A CCIE or two can make a real difference. Unfortunately those guys usually work some bigger companies The third deciding factor air conditioning and electricity considerations.case you are facing an OVH situation. httpswww.datacenterdynamics.com/en/opinions/ovhclouds-dat (It is really funny, because I have warned them that their AC/cooling solution is not sufficient, and they explained to me that I am wrong. I was not aware of the rest (wooden elements, electricity fuckups, etc.) During the year, an article in VO News by Clever Technologies claimed there were flaws in the power design of the site, for instance that the neighboring SBG4 facility was not independent, drawing power from the same circuit as SBG2. It's clear that the site had multiple generations, and among its work after the fire, OVHcloud reported digging a new power connection between the facilities The fourth would be probably pricing. TCO is one consideration, after you made sure that the minimum requirements are met, but only after So based on the needs somebody can choose wisely, based on the business requirements For example, running an airline vs running a complex simulations have very different requirements From a sales point of view, I agree with you that, for a lot of folks, this might be the main concern. If you're doing B2B or government work this might be, by far, the most important thing to you However, this is at least partially pure sales and security theatre. It's about checkboxes and being able to say "we use AWS" and having everyone else just nod their head and say "they use AWS." I'm not a security expert (though I have held security-related/focused programming roles), but as strong as AWS is with respect to paper security, in practice, the foundation of cloud (i.e. sharing resources), seems like a dealbreaker to me (especially in a rowhammer/spectre world). Not to mention the access AWS/Amazon themselves have and the complexity of cloud-hosted system (and how easy it is to misconfigure them (1 About 8 years ago, when I worked at a large international bank, that was certainly how cloud was seen. I'm not sure if that's changed. Of course, they owned their own (small) DCs (1) - httpsnews.ycombinator.com/item?id=26154038 The tool was removed from github (conspiracy theory but I still find the discussion there relevant so, anywhere where your workloads or data are physically co-located on the same hardware as someone else's should be automatically disqualified, right? Doing your career a favor is how we ended up in this situation in the first place. The tech industry had way too much free money floating around that there was never any market pressure to operate profitably, so complexity increased to fill the available resources This has now gone on long enough that there are now entire careers built around the idea that the cloud is the only way - people that spend all day rewriting YAML/Terraform files, or developers turning every single little feature into a complex, failure-prone distributed system because the laptop-grade CPU their code runs on can't do it synchronously in a reasonable amount of time All these people, their managers and decision makers could end up out of a job or face inconvenient consequences if the industry were to call out thecollectively, so it's in everyone's best interest to not call it out. Im sure there are cloud DevOps people that feel the same way but wouldnt admit it because its more lucrative for them to keep pretending This works at multiple levels too, as a startup, you wouldn't be considered "cool" and deserving of VC funding (the aforementioned "free money") if you don't build an engineering playground based on laptop-grade CPU performance rented by the minute at 10x+ markup. You wouldn't be considered a "cool" place to work for either if prospective "engineers" or DevOps people can't use this opportunity to put "cloud" on their CVs and brag about solving self-inflicted problems Clueless, non-tech companies are affected too - they got suckered into the whole "cloud" idea, and admitting their mistake would be politically inconvenient (and potentially require firing/retraining/losing some employees), so they'd rather continue and pour more money into the dumpster fire A reckoning on the cloud and a return to rationality would actually work out well for everyone, including those who have a reason to use it, as it would force them to lower their prices to compete. But as long as everyone is happy to pay theirmarkups, why would they not take the money? httpswww.svb.com/account/startup-banking-offers For one, people generally underestimate the performance cost of their choices. And that reaches from app code, to their db and their infrastructure Were talkingof magnitude of compounding effects. Big constant factors that can dominate the calculation. Big multipliers on top Horizontal scaling with all its dollar cost, limitations, complexity, maintenance cost and gotchas becomes a fix on top of something that shouldnt be a problem in the first place Personally, so far, the best near-equivalent provider I've found that actually offers well-specced machines in North America, is OVH, with their HGR line and their Montreal DC. Are there any other contenders? And if not, why not? what's so hard about getting into the high-spec dedicated hosting space in the US specifically? Import duties on parts, maybe? (I've found plenty of low-spec bare-metal providers in the US, and plenty of high-spec cloud VM hosting providers in the US, and plenty of high-spec bare-metal providers outside the US; but so far, no other high-spec bare-metal providers in the US.) [1] httpsservicestack.net/blog/finding-best-us-value-cloud-pr.. We're currently using these at OVH: httpswww.ovhcloud.com/en-ca/bare-metal/high-grade/hgr-hciand we really need the cores, the memory, the bandwidth, and the huge gobs of direct-attached NVMe. (We do highly-concurrent realtime analytics; these machines run DBs that each host thousands of concurrent multi-second OLAP queries against multi-TB datasets, with basically zero temporal locality between queries. It'd actually be a perfect use-case for a huge honking NUMA mainframe with "IO accelerator" cards, but there isn't an efficient market for mainframesso they're not actually price-optimal here compared to aof replicated DB shards running on commodity hardware.) Also they'll run off with your money if you can't provide an ID after you've already paid. No service but no refunds either But seriously, there's been lots of talk on HN recently about alternatives to the big. This is it - rent a big server and do it all on Linux Request on Hold - Suspicous Activity Detected Edit: so I use that time wisely to shitpost about it on HN, then check TrustPilot and I see: "Unfortunately, based on your description (I need a ticket number or other customer information to find you in our system), you accidentally resembled an abuser." Not a good outward appearance. I'll stick with AWS and paying through the nose - stop operating in countries they don't want business from - treat people equally What they are doing is: Is this a business? No Should we follow any of the practices of HN? I do not think so. My personal website has a more scalable infrastructure than HN There is no excuse for being a victim of an algorithm And I never get this anywhere else! In technology circles I am guilty until proven innocent That's the difference, the outcome of which is the technology provider can quiteoff Is anybody aware of anything that's price competitive in the US (or within a 50ms ping)? [1] httpswww.ionos.com/servers/value-dedicated-server#package.. OVH [1] is not quite as cheap, but I can't really think of anyone else in the area that is totally comparable. One draw of OVH, Hetzner, etc, for me over the truly small, cheap dedicated server providers is they both have pretty decent networks and free DDoS mitigation, which is really nice for things like game servers and such where CloudFlare isn't an option OVH's sub-brands like SoYouStart [2] will sell you decently specced dedicated servers started at around $30 a month in Quebec, which tends to be more than good enough for most of my "US" needs They do have a couple datacenters in the United States too, not just Canada (+ quite a few in Europe, one in Singapore, some in Australia, etc), but I believe the Virginia/Oregon servers aren't available on the cheaper SYS site -- still cheap, though, but not quite $30 cheap [1]: [2]: (main downsides compared to OVH proper is the connection is capped at ~250Mbps, and although all servers have DDoS mitigation, the SYS and Kimsufi servers don't allow you to leave it on 24/7 -- so when you get attacked, it might take a minute or so to kick in, and then it'll remain on for 24 hours, I believe) Edit1: missed word; Edit2: people pointed below that the us locations don't have dedicated servers, cloud servers only;